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tradervic
06-27-2005, 09:45 PM
I'm trying to create a safety clone for my G5 from my internal 160gb hd onto an 80gb external fw maxtor. Get info shows 104gb used on the internal drive. My home folder is 88gb. I'm thinking that since the safety clone doesn't copy the user files that I am only trying to copy 104-88=16gb. Am I wrong?

dnanian
06-27-2005, 09:54 PM
It's going to share a number of applications, too, if you choose that script.

Remember, too, that you need to leave enough free space on the Safety Clone to hold temporary files, anything you're going to install over there, and VM files and the like. Don't be too stingy with the space.

If you want to know exactly how big it's going to be, run a sample one into an image (even a sparse image)...

tradervic
06-27-2005, 10:19 PM
Thanks for your quick reply.

I'm using Safety clone - shared users and applications. If an image is as large as the clone itself, I don't have room anywhere to copy it.

dnanian
06-27-2005, 10:33 PM
Well, in general, I'd expect it to be 8-12GB... that works well for me, with quite a few apps installed...

tradervic
06-27-2005, 10:48 PM
Is an image of a clone the same size as the clone? What's the advantage of an image?

Here's a copy of the log of one of the failed attempts if that helps. Thanks again for the help.

[***] Wednesday, June 22, 2005 07:08:24 PM US/Eastern
|07:08:24 PM|Info| SuperDuper!, version 74, path: /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16)
|07:08:24 PM|Info| Source Drive: /, name: Macintosh HD, device: /dev/disk0s3 type: hfs, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16), capacity: 148.93 GB, used: 100.93 GB, directories: 58923, files: 247075
|07:08:24 PM|Info| Target Drive: /Volumes/Maxtor Hard Drive, name: Maxtor Hard Drive, device: /dev/disk1s3 type: hfs, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16), capacity: 76.21 GB, used: 5.73 GB, directories: 44289, files: 160526
|07:08:24 PM|Info| Copy Mode : Erase, then copy files
|07:08:24 PM|Info| Copy Script : Safety clone - shared users and applications.dset
|07:08:24 PM|Info| Transcript : BuildTranscript.plist
|07:08:25 PM|Info| PHASE: Volume Preparation
|07:08:25 PM|Info| ...ACTION: Repair Permissions on Macintosh HD
|07:08:25 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Repairing permissions on Macintosh HD
|07:10:51 PM|Info| Started verify/repair permissions on disk disk0s3 Macintosh HD
|07:10:51 PM|Info| Determining correct file permissions.
|07:10:51 PM|Info| We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util. New permissions are 33261
|07:10:51 PM|Info| We are using a special uid for the file or directory ./private/var/at/jobs. New uid is 1
|07:10:51 PM|Info| We are using a special uid for the file or directory ./private/var/at/spool. New uid is 1
|07:10:51 PM|Info| The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume
|07:10:51 PM|Info| Verify/repair finished permissions on disk disk0s3 Macintosh HD
|07:10:51 PM|Info| ...ACTION: Erase Maxtor Hard Drive
|07:10:51 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Erasing Maxtor Hard Drive
|07:11:01 PM|Info| Allocated 8192K for journal file.
|07:11:01 PM|Info| Journaling has been enabled on /dev/disk1s3
|07:11:01 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Restoring Maxtor Hard Drive UUID (EFE2EAB83A74F446)
|07:11:02 PM|Info| ...ACTION: Enable Permissions
|07:11:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Enabling permissions on Macintosh HD
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Refreshing Disk Arbitration ...
|07:11:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Verifying that permissions are enabled for Macintosh HD
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Permissions on '/' are enabled.
|07:11:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Enabling permissions on Maxtor Hard Drive
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Refreshing Disk Arbitration ...
|07:11:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Verifying that permissions are enabled for Maxtor Hard Drive
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Permissions on '/Volumes/Maxtor Hard Drive' are enabled.
|07:11:02 PM|Info| PHASE: Clone from Source to Target
|07:11:02 PM|Info| ...ACTION: Copy Files from Macintosh HD to Maxtor Hard Drive
|07:11:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Cloning Macintosh HD to Maxtor Hard Drive
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copying all files using script: /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Safety clone - shared users and applications.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 19 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude system temporary files.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 5 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude system cache files.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Norton FileSaver files.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Previous Systems.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 3 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share X11 applications.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share Classic applications.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 33 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Copy applications, sharing non-Apple.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Address Book.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/AppleScript
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Calculator.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Chess.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/DVD Player.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Font Book.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iCal.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iChat.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iPhoto.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iSync.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iMovie.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Image Capture.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Internet Connect.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Internet Explorer.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Mail.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Preview.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/QuickTime Player.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Safari.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Sherlock.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Stickies.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/System Preferences.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/TextEdit.app
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Retrospect 6.0
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Utilities
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 3 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share Users.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Safety clone - shared users and applications.dset
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command IGNORE for /Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.6B.csstore
|07:11:02 PM|Info| Copy script command hash contains 272 commands
|08:54:22 PM|Info| Ignoring /.vol
|08:54:22 PM|Info| Ignoring /.Trashes
|08:54:22 PM|Info| WARNING: Caught I/O exception(28): No space left on device
|08:54:22 PM|Info| WARNING: Source: /private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff, lstat(): 0
|08:54:22 PM|Info| WARNING: Target: /Volumes/Maxtor Hard Drive/private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff, lstat(): 0
|08:54:22 PM|Info| Logging attributes for item: /private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff of type: 8
|08:54:22 PM|Info| Type:
|08:54:22 PM|Info| Creator:
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kIsOnDesk: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kColor: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Error| SVUclone: Error: Couldn't create
|08:54:22 PM|Error| : No space left on device
|08:54:22 PM|Error| SVUclone: Error copying /private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff to /Volumes/Maxtor Hard Drive/private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff of type 8
|08:54:22 PM|Error| : No space left on device
|08:54:22 PM|Error| ****FAILED****: result=256 errno=1 (Operation not permitted)
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kIsShared: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kHasNoINITs: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kHasBeenInited: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kHasCustomIcon: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kIsStationery: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kNameLocked: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kHasBundle: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kIsInvisible: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| kIsAlias: NO
|08:54:22 PM|Info| Error copying /private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff to /Volumes/Maxtor Hard Drive/private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff of type 8

dnanian
06-28-2005, 07:52 AM
Hi, tradervic.

The problem here is pretty much exactly what it says: you're trying to copy 100GB of information to a drive that only has 76GB of space:

|07:08:24 PM|Info| Source Drive: /, name: Macintosh HD, device: /dev/disk0s3 type: hfs, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16), capacity: 148.93 GB, used: 100.93 GB, directories: 58923, files: 247075
|07:08:24 PM|Info| Target Drive: /Volumes/Maxtor Hard Drive, name: Maxtor Hard Drive, device: /dev/disk1s3 type: hfs, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16), capacity: 76.21 GB, used: 5.73 GB, directories: 44289, files: 160526

There's no real advantage of an image in your case, since you can copy directly to the drive...

tradervic
06-28-2005, 09:24 AM
I thought that a safety clone did not include the user files or applications. My home folder is around 88gb of the 100gb used on the drive (including movies and music). If the clone does not include this, why isn't there enough room? I must be missing something.

dnanian
06-28-2005, 09:50 AM
My mistake! I misread the log, and didn't see the script name. Sorry about that.

Try emptying your trash, rebooting, and copying again. There might be more in the trash than you think... that's certainly where it's running out of room.

tradervic
06-29-2005, 07:20 AM
OK. Latest try. Emptied trash first. The first listing of the no space left error comes after Ignoring /.Trashes. Does that mean the trash is causing the problem? There is nothing in the trash. Does the safety clone contains aliases to all the user and application files?

[***] Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:16:53 PM US/Eastern
|10:16:53 PM|Info| SuperDuper!, version 74, path: /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16)
|10:16:53 PM|Info| Source Drive: /, name: Macintosh HD, device: /dev/disk0s3 type: hfs, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16), capacity: 148.93 GB, used: 101.61 GB, directories: 58931, files: 246595
|10:16:53 PM|Info| Target Drive: /Volumes/maxtor HD, name: maxtor HD, device: /dev/disk1s3 type: hfs, OS: N/A, capacity: 76.21 GB, used: 0.04 GB, directories: 3, files: 2
|10:16:53 PM|Info| Copy Mode : Erase, then copy files
|10:16:53 PM|Info| Copy Script : Safety clone - shared users and applications.dset
|10:16:53 PM|Info| Transcript : BuildTranscript.plist
|10:16:53 PM|Info| PHASE: Volume Preparation
|10:16:53 PM|Info| ...ACTION: Erase maxtor HD
|10:16:53 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Erasing maxtor HD
|10:17:02 PM|Info| Allocated 8192K for journal file.
|10:17:02 PM|Info| Journaling has been enabled on /dev/disk1s3
|10:17:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Restoring maxtor HD UUID (11112B44217A5E2D)
|10:17:02 PM|Info| ...ACTION: Enable Permissions
|10:17:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Enabling permissions on Macintosh HD
|10:17:02 PM|Info| Refreshing Disk Arbitration ...
|10:17:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Verifying that permissions are enabled for Macintosh HD
|10:17:02 PM|Info| Permissions on '/' are enabled.
|10:17:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Enabling permissions on maxtor HD
|10:17:02 PM|Info| Refreshing Disk Arbitration ...
|10:17:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Verifying that permissions are enabled for maxtor HD
|10:17:02 PM|Info| Permissions on '/Volumes/maxtor HD' are enabled.
|10:17:02 PM|Info| PHASE: Clone from Source to Target
|10:17:02 PM|Info| ...ACTION: Copy Files from Macintosh HD to maxtor HD
|10:17:02 PM|Info| ......COMMAND => Cloning Macintosh HD to maxtor HD
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copying all files using script: /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Safety clone - shared users and applications.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 19 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude system temporary files.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 5 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude system cache files.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Norton FileSaver files.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Previous Systems.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 3 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share X11 applications.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share Classic applications.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 33 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Copy applications, sharing non-Apple.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Address Book.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/AppleScript
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Calculator.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Chess.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/DVD Player.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Font Book.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iCal.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iChat.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iPhoto.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iSync.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/iMovie.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Image Capture.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Internet Connect.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Internet Explorer.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Mail.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Preview.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/QuickTime Player.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Safari.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Sherlock.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Stickies.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/System Preferences.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/TextEdit.app
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Retrospect 6.0
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command SHARE for /Applications/Utilities
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 3 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share Users.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Safety clone - shared users and applications.dset
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command COPY supercedes command IGNORE for /Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.6B.csstore
|10:17:03 PM|Info| Copy script command hash contains 281 commands
|12:00:20 AM|Info| Ignoring /.vol
|12:00:20 AM|Info| Ignoring /.Trashes
|12:00:20 AM|Info| WARNING: Caught I/O exception(28): No space left on device
|12:00:20 AM|Info| WARNING: Source: /private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff, lstat(): 0
|12:00:20 AM|Info| WARNING: Target: /Volumes/maxtor HD/private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff, lstat(): 0
|12:00:20 AM|Info| Logging attributes for item: /private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff of type: 8
|12:00:20 AM|Info| Type:
|12:00:20 AM|Info| Creator:
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kIsOnDesk: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kColor: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kIsShared: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kHasNoINITs: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kHasBeenInited: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kHasCustomIcon: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kIsStationery: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kNameLocked: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kHasBundle: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kIsInvisible: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| kIsAlias: NO
|12:00:20 AM|Info| Error copying /private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff to /Volumes/maxtor HD/private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff of type 8
|12:00:20 AM|Error| SVUclone: Error: Couldn't create
|12:00:20 AM|Error| : No space left on device
|12:00:20 AM|Error| SVUclone: Error copying /private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff to /Volumes/maxtor HD/private/tmp/501/TemporaryItems/rs_tmp_aiff of type 8
|12:00:20 AM|Error| : No space left on device
|12:00:20 AM|Error| ****FAILED****: result=256 errno=1 (Operation not permitted)

dnanian
06-29-2005, 07:41 AM
A Safety Clone has aliases to all 3rd party applications, as long as they're stored in /Applications.

But what it looks like here is that you're running an application while you're creating the Safety Clone that's writing actively to this rs_tmp_aiff file.

Try rebooting. If your have things set up to automatically log you in, log out. Then, at the login window, enter your password and then hold down Shift before you click the log in button, and keep it down until you're *idle* at the desktop.

Then, do not run any other applications but SuperDuper!, and try to create the Safety Clone again.

tradervic
06-29-2005, 04:35 PM
Rebooting with shift key down did the trick! The aiff file must have been from an app called Radio Shark that continually records radio onto the hard drive. I have the app set as a startup item. Thanks very much for all your help. Following is an edited log from the successful copy, just for grins.

***] Wednesday, June 29, 2005 09:04:36 AM US/Eastern
|09:04:36 AM|Info| SuperDuper!, version 74, path: /Applications/SuperDuper/SuperDuper!.app, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16)
|09:04:36 AM|Info| Source Drive: /, name: Macintosh HD, device: /dev/disk0s3 type: hfs, OS: 10.3.8 (7U16), capacity: 148.93 GB, used: 103.93 GB, directories: 58931, files: 246608
|09:04:36 AM|Info| Target Drive: /Volumes/Maxtor HD, name: Maxtor HD, device: /dev/disk1s3 type: hfs, OS: N/A, capacity: 76.21 GB, used: 0.04 GB, directories: 3, files: 3
|09:04:36 AM|Info| Copy Mode : Erase, then copy files
|09:04:36 AM|Info| Copy Script : Safety clone - shared users and applications.dset

|09:36:29 AM|Info| Scanned 305272 items occupying 103.59 GB (58928 directories, 242127 files, 4217 symlinks)
|09:36:29 AM|Info| Copied 204721 items totaling 7.89 GB (44278 directories, 157453 files, 2990 symlinks)
|09:36:29 AM|Info| Cloned 7.89 GB of data in 1904 seconds at an effective transfer rate of 4.25 MB/s
|09:36:29 AM|Info| PHASE: Conclude Target Setup
|09:36:29 AM|Info| ...ACTION: Bless System on Maxtor HD
|09:36:29 AM|Info| ......COMMAND => Blessing OS X System Folder
|09:36:30 AM|Info| Successfully blessed Mac OS X folder on Maxtor HD
|09:36:30 AM|Info| ......COMMAND => Blessing OS 9 System Folder
|09:36:30 AM|Info| Successfully blessed Mac OS 9 System Folder on Maxtor HD
|09:36:30 AM|Info| Copy complete.
[---] Session ended: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 09:36:30 AM US/Eastern

dnanian
06-29-2005, 04:50 PM
Glad to hear it. That makes sense about Radio Shark: in the future, just quit that -- or stop it from recording -- before you start your backup.