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guruuno
08-13-2006, 12:13 AM
I today, bought this program to do a backup of my OS X.
After doing a backup (Sandbox), I was not able to boot from the backup.
(The backup is on an external USB Maxtor One Touch III hard disk).
Reading here in the forums, it says that Mac's cannot boot from external USB hard disks.
Is this true? (I am a Mac newbie)
I could have sworn that I did boot previously from an external USB HD.

I just want to make sure the backup is valid befor suggesting to my customers that this is the 'program of choice' for backups.

My major consideration is to have a backup process in place that offers the same type of protection that Acronis True Image does, or Symantec Ghost, and Symantec Backup Exec (formerly Symantec LiveState Recovery & before that PowerQuest V2i).

That is, bare metal recovery, bootable rescue media to access the backup image to restore to a new or old hard disk, mountable images to inject or extract files, scheduling, full backups and incremental (only files that changed since last backup), and the ability to store backup images to media sizes for DVD archicing (4.7Gb).

Am I asking for too much, does ANYTHING exist?

IF the Mac is to become a major competitor, and I belive it will, it will need the same or similar apps to compete with Windows apps, especially for Disaster Recovery/

jgrove
08-13-2006, 09:18 AM
I am a MAC newbie(ish) and as far as i can tell you can only boot from firewire drives externally, however i would love to be prooved wrong as then i wont go out and buy a firewire extrnal drive!

Cheers

guruuno
08-13-2006, 11:30 AM
OK, did this backup last night, to an external USB hard disk, all was 100% done, and so be it if I cannot boot from it, so:

I removed the hard disk from the OneTouch3 USB external case (it's a Seagate Momentus 60Gb HD), and installed in in the laptop, won't boot.

If this software is supposed to do what it advertises, why am I having such a difficult time?

Reply is needed ASAP, as I need a solution, and this is not working.

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guruuno
08-13-2006, 11:32 AM
| 10:38:46 PM | Info | SuperDuper!, 2.1.3 (80), path: /Applications/SuperDuper!.app, Mac OS 10.4.7 build 8J2135 (i386)
| 10:38:46 PM | Info | Started on Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 10:38 PM
| 10:38:46 PM | Info | Source Drive: OS X, mount: /, device: FUJITSU MHT2020AT, interconnect: Internal ATA, file system: "Journaled HFS+", OS: 10.4.7 (8J2135), capacity: 18.63 GB, used: 14.33 GB, directories: 78452, files: 335147, ejectable: NO, ACLs: Disabled
| 10:38:46 PM | Info | Target Drive: OS XBU, mount: /Volumes/OS XBU, device: Maxtor OneTouch III, interconnect: External USB, file system: "Journaled HFS+", OS: 10.4.7 (8J2135), capacity: 55.89 GB, used: 0.03 GB, directories: 4, files: 9, ejectable: NO, ACLs: Disabled
| 10:38:46 PM | Info | Copy Mode : Erase, then copy files
| 10:38:46 PM | Info | Copy Script : Sandbox - shared users and applications.dset
| 10:38:46 PM | Info | Transcript : BuildTranscript.plist
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | PHASE: 1. Prepare to Copy Files
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | ...ACTION: Preparing OS X
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Verifying the integrity of volinfo.database
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | volinfo.database OK
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Enabling permissions on OS X
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | Refreshing Disk Arbitration ...
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Verifying that permissions are enabled for OS X
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | Permissions on '/' are enabled.
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | ...ACTION: Repairing permissions on OS X
| 10:38:47 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Repairing permissions on OS X
| 10:38:53 PM | Info | parent directory ./Users/Shared/SC Info does not exist
| 10:39:47 PM | Info | Started verify/repair permissions on disk disk0s1 OS X
| 10:39:47 PM | Info | Determining correct file permissions.
| 10:39:47 PM | Info | The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume
| 10:39:47 PM | Info | Verify/repair finished permissions on disk disk0s1 OS X
| 10:39:47 PM | Info | ...ACTION: Erasing OS XBU
| 10:39:47 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Preserving OS XBU UUID
| 10:39:48 PM | Info | 2A1117FA938215F1
| 10:39:48 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Preserving spotlight indexing state
| 10:39:48 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Erasing OS XBU
| 10:39:55 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Restoring OS XBU UUID (2A1117FA938215F1)
| 10:39:55 PM | Info | 2A1117FA938215F1
| 10:39:55 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Restoring Spotlight search indexing state on OS XBU
| 10:39:55 PM | Info | /Volumes/OS XBU:
| 10:39:55 PM | Info | Indexing disabled for volume.
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | /Volumes/OS XBU:
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Indexing enabled for volume.
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Indexing enabled on OS XBU
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | ...ACTION: Preparing OS XBU
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Enabling permissions on OS XBU
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Refreshing Disk Arbitration ...
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Verifying that permissions are enabled for OS XBU
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Permissions on '/Volumes/OS XBU' are enabled.
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Verifying that OS XBU ACL support matches OS X
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | ...ACTION: Preserving Spotlight state on OS XBU
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Disabling Spotlight search indexing on OS XBU
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | PHASE: 2. Copy Files
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | ...ACTION: Copying files from OS X to OS XBU
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Cloning OS X to OS XBU
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copying copy files using script: /Users/guruuno/Library/Application Support/SuperDuper!/Copy Scripts/Standard Scripts/Sandbox - shared users and applications.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 19 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude system temporary files.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 6 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude system cache files.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Norton FileSaver files.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 2 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Previous Systems.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 3 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share X11 applications.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share Classic applications.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 37 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Copy applications, sharing non-Apple.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Address Book.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/AppleScript
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Automator.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Calculator.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Chess.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Dashboard.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Dictionary.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/DVD Player.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Font Book.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/iCal.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/iChat.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/iSync.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/iTunes.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Image Capture.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Internet Connect.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Mail.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Preview.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/QuickTime Player.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Safari.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Sherlock.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Stickies.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/System Preferences.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/TextEdit.app
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Copy script command COPY supersedes command SHARE for /Applications/Utilities
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 4 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Share Users.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 2 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Spotlight search index.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | Loading 1 commands from copy script /Users/guruuno/Library/Application Support/SuperDuper!/Copy Scripts/Standard Scripts/Sandbox - shared users and applications.dset
| 10:39:56 PM | Info | /
| 10:39:59 PM | Info | /bin
| 10:40:02 PM | Info | /usr
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guruuno
08-13-2006, 11:34 AM
| 10:42:53 PM | Info | Sharing /usr/X11R6
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | /.Spotlight-V100
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Ignoring /.Spotlight-V100/.journalHistoryLog
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Ignoring /.Spotlight-V100/.store.db
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Ignoring /.Spotlight-V100/_exclusions.plist
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Ignoring /.Spotlight-V100/_rules.plist
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Ignoring /.Spotlight-V100/ContentIndex.db
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Ignoring /.Spotlight-V100/store.db
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | /.Trashes
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | /.vol
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Ignoring /.vol
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | /Applications
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Microsoft AutoUpdate.app
| 10:42:56 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/XRay.app
| 10:43:14 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Adobe Reader 7.0.8
| 10:43:38 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/BitTorrent OSX 4.4.1
| 10:43:44 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/ClamXav.app
| 10:43:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Cocktail Extras
| 10:43:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Cocktail.app
| 10:43:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/DivX Converter.app
| 10:43:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/DivX Player.app
| 10:44:06 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/FileMaker Pro 8
| 10:44:15 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/HexEdit Release
| 10:46:00 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/MacHacha.app
| 10:46:00 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/MacPAR deLuxe.app
| 10:48:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Windows Media Player
| 10:48:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Mouseposť.app
| 10:48:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/OnyX.app
| 10:48:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Pacifist
| 10:48:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Parallels
| 10:48:47 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Path Finder.app
| 10:49:23 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/RARLAB
| 10:49:23 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/rarXshell 3.51 b1
| 10:49:23 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Remote Desktop.app
| 10:49:23 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Resorcerer 2.4.1 OSX
| 10:49:44 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/SerialBox
| 10:49:50 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Skype.app
| 10:49:53 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Split&Concat.app
| 10:49:56 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/StuffIt 10.0
| 10:49:56 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/SuperDuper!.app
| 10:49:56 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/TechTool Pro 4 Public Beta
| 10:50:06 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Toast 7 Titanium
| 10:50:07 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Transmit.app
| 10:50:07 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Unison.app
| 10:50:07 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/unPoster
| 10:50:07 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/UnRar 3.0 Mac OS X
| 10:50:07 PM | Info | Sharing /Applications/Microsoft Office 2004
| 10:50:09 PM | Info | /automount
| 10:50:09 PM | Info | /Network
| 10:50:09 PM | Info | /cores
| 10:50:09 PM | Info | /Users
| 10:50:09 PM | Info | Sharing /Users/guruuno
| 10:50:22 PM | Info | Sharing /Users/Shared
| 10:50:22 PM | Info | Sharing /Users/.DS_Store
| 10:50:22 PM | Info | Sharing /Users/.localized
| 10:50:22 PM | Info | /System
| 11:06:22 PM | Info | Ignoring /System/Library/Extensions.kextcache
| 11:06:22 PM | Info | /dev
| 11:06:22 PM | Info | /sbin
| 11:06:22 PM | Info | /Library
| 11:28:12 PM | Info | /private
| 11:28:27 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/db/volinfo.database
| 11:28:27 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/db/BootCache.playlist
| 11:28:29 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run
| 11:28:29 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/cups
| 11:28:29 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/folders
| 11:28:29 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/folders.501
| 11:28:29 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/mds
| 11:28:29 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/com.apple.speech.synthesis.globals
| 11:28:29 PM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/vm
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | /Volumes
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Ignoring /Volumes/OS XBU
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Ignoring /Volumes/OS X 1
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Ignoring /mach.sym
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Ignoring /mach
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Ignoring /Desktop DF
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Ignoring /Desktop DB
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Ignoring /.hotfiles.btree
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Evaluated 413127 items occupying 14.11 GB (78449 directories, 329935 files, 4743 symlinks)
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Copied 421035 items totaling 5.75 GB (67496 directories, 282829 files, 70710 symlinks)
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | Cloned 5.75 GB of data in 2915 seconds at an effective transfer rate of 2.02 MB/s
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | PHASE: 3. After Successful Copy
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | ...ACTION: Making OS XBU bootable
| 11:28:31 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Blessing OS X System Folder
| 11:28:34 PM | Info | Successfully blessed Mac OS X folder on OS XBU
| 11:28:34 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Blessing OS 9 System Folder
| 11:28:34 PM | Info | Did not bless Mac OS 9 System Folder on OS XBU because it does not exist.
| 11:28:34 PM | Info | ...ACTION: Restoring Spotlight state on OS XBU
| 11:28:34 PM | Info | ......COMMAND => Restoring Spotlight search indexing state on OS XBU
| 11:28:35 PM | Info | /Volumes/OS XBU:
| 11:28:35 PM | Info | Indexing disabled for volume.
| 11:28:37 PM | Info | /Volumes/OS XBU:
| 11:28:37 PM | Info | Indexing enabled for volume.
| 11:28:37 PM | Info | Indexing enabled on OS XBU
| 11:28:37 PM | Info | Copy complete.

brich
08-13-2006, 02:34 PM
If I were advising my customers re using SuperDuper for backups on the Mac side, I'd definitely recommend obtaining an external firewire drive (better consistent throughput than USB). Creating bootable clones, for example, is simple and reliable on a Mac. I'd take a look at the external drives offered by OtherWorldComputing. I've had good luck with Hitachi DeskStars and TravelStars for backing up my desktop and laptop systems.

On the new Intel Macs, I believe you can also make bootable backups to external USB drives.

jgrove
08-13-2006, 02:39 PM
If I were advising my customers re using SuperDuper for backups on the Mac side, I'd definitely recommend obtaining an external firewire drive (better consistent throughput than USB). Creating bootable clones, for example, is simple and reliable on a Mac. I'd take a look at the external drives offered by OtherWorldComputing. I've had good luck with Hitachi DeskStars and TravelStars for backing up my desktop and laptop systems.

On the new Intel Macs, I believe you can also make bootable backups to external USB drives.


Just found out if you hold the option key down on boot you can boot via USB all be it very slow. Firewire is the answer.

Cheers

guruuno
08-13-2006, 02:40 PM
This is EXACTLY what I thought, and what I was initally referring to.
I have a MacBook (Intel), and yes, I have previously booted many times, from my USB external hard disk.

NOT NOW THOUGH!!

This is very frustrating, to go to thest forums AFTER purchasing the product, for some level of support, sending e-mails to the support e-mail address, and then while purusing the list of messages, seeing that people are being told to only ask in one place, not both.

HOW LONG SHOULD ONE EXPECT TO WAIT FOR HELP?

IS THIS PRODUCT FOR END USERS/KIDDES or for consideration for Enterprise customers? (and if so, shouldn't the level of support be as fitting)?

Bottom line:

Three attemted backups to an external USB hard disk, none are bootable in or out of the case (and now I have a 'bastardized USB case, trying to verify/prove-disprove the issues.).

PLEASE......HELP IS NEEDED!!

brich
08-13-2006, 02:48 PM
The SD user manual is a PDF downloadable from this site for free. I believe it recommends use of a firewire drive as the recommended solution with this app. While I haven't used SD in the Enterprise, I've found it to be totally reliable and indispensable for 3 Mac systems in my home office. By the way, Dave Nanian (SD developer) normally is av ailable to respond personally to user question like yours. Any number of his customers will readily confirm that his app and his support are top-shelf!

dnanian
08-13-2006, 03:40 PM
A few things here, Bob.

First, it's very important to note that a Sandbox is not a backup, it's a way of doing a checkpoint of your system. So, if you want something you can recover from, you should be using "Backup - all files", not any of the Sandbox scripts.

Second, only Intel based Macintoshes can start from USB drives. PPC Macs cannot. Both can boot from FireWire drives, so I'd strongly suggest a Mac "boot compatible" (Oxford based) FireWire drive if you can use one.

The most common reason for a failure to boot is that the drive is partitioned with the wrong scheme. As of a later release of 10.4.x, Disk Utility started letting users format HFS+ volumes even when the on-disk format was MBR (Windows) partitioning, and this can be quite confusing.

In general, external drives should be partitioned with the Apple Partition Map scheme, which is compatible (on an external drive) with both Intel and Power PC Macs.

If you're using exclusively Intel Macs, you should use the "GUID" partitioning scheme. A drive that moves internal to an Intel Mac must be GUID as well.

So, please check the partitioning scheme and see if you're using the right one. Once you do that, and use "Backup - all files" with Smart Update or Erase, then copy, your backup should boot successfully.

guruuno
08-14-2006, 12:01 PM
OK, followed the instructions in the last post:
In general, external drives should be partitioned with the Apple Partition Map scheme...

No difference, won't boot.

Will try a 6th time later this evening, any other items to try?

Additionally, if this indeed is fact (as posted in the last reply) is it in the docs?

dnanian
08-14-2006, 12:04 PM
What was it partitioned as, Bob? And what happens when you try to boot?

The change to the way Apple handles the partitioning scheme was made recently so it's not yet in the documentation. However, it is documented within Disk Utility itself.

Since you seem to have changed things around quite a bit, and you have an Intel Mac, did you use GUID or APM? And was the drive internal or external?

Budgie
08-14-2006, 03:16 PM
I have sd set up on quite afew mac in NZ and Australia, backing upto internal and external firewire drives (as recommended in manual) all boot everytime I through a maintenance scheme.
As for the support, Dave has got to be the best out their, I agree with brich, top-shelf

Budgie

guruuno
08-14-2006, 11:57 PM
I partitioned with the Apple Partition Map scheme.

When I boot, nothing, blinking cursor, top left of screen.

Please elaborate on, "did you use GUID or APM?", I am a bit unclear....

I cloned to an external USB hard disk.

My 'concept' or purpose is to increase the hard disk size to a larger one, so I clone it to the external device, remove the hard disk from the external device (USB), install it in the laptop, and expect to boot.

Am I missing something?

Thanking you all for your continued assistance.

I have a Wed AM appt at my clients for 'selling him' this backup process.

He has 4 Macs, and all I want to do is have a disaster recovery procedure in place, similar to what I do with PC's in the Windows world, and I use Acronis True Image + Symantec BackupExec there....and it's seamless.

I assumed that I'd be the guinea pig for my test with my own Mac (ok guys, at least I made the jump and I'm on the Mac bandwagon now..... a few years ago, I wouldn't even look, but now, I'm a convert, hence my eagerness to solve this issue).

Hoping for a resolve

dnanian
08-15-2006, 08:38 AM
OK. If you're on a USB drive, please use the GUID partition scheme (Options button in the Partition tab of Disk Utility), since you're only going to be starting up Intel-based Macs from that drive.

Then, make sure you erase the drive and use the "Mac OS Extended" format.

Once that's complete, Smart Update the external using "Backup - all files". Then, select the drive in System Preferences' "Startup Disk" preference pane.

When you watch it start, see if you get a grey screen, Apple, spinning "pinwheel", etc. A blinking cursor at the upper left isn't something I'd expect to see at all.

guruuno
08-15-2006, 09:05 AM
"Mac OS Extended" format.

Journaled or no Journaled?

dnanian
08-15-2006, 09:42 AM
Try without Journaling so we can see if that makes a difference for your particular drive. Some drives have problems with Journaling.

guruuno
08-17-2006, 04:00 PM
Over the last week or so, I have been unsuccessful in being able to move my OS X to a larger drive.

I've bought your software, tried just about every tool and app out there, read all the forums to the best of my ability, stayed up until 3-4 AM many days, tried things a bazillion different ways, and so forth. Sheesh, I even went without sex for a whole week! Not that tells you how much I am serious about finding a solution.

Let me say first, I appreciae all the assistance given here. Without it, my progress would have been dead.

I gave up.

I reinstalled, did a Migration, done.

What a pain in the butt!!

Searching for the total complete answer to the backup/cloning issue, I stumbled across this article.

The State of Backup and Cloning Tools under Mac OS X
http://blog.plasticsfuture.org/2006/03/05/...under-mac-os-x/

Bottom line in my opinion afer reading this: There is no solution that works 100% of the time, LIKE IT DOES ON A PC, so we must all wait for that solution, and until then, this OS may be only for the real techie, as the 'average' consumer, needs a backup process that "works", in addition to the Corporate client.

So, is OS X ready for prime time?

Maybe, but things need to be made available for it to be a 100% competitor.....and I haven't even begun to look at the other things that do or do not work, are easy or hard, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE it all, and am a certified OS X convert, but things just gotta get better to be the #1 OS to come in the future.

dnanian
08-17-2006, 04:09 PM
I really don't know why you had so much trouble, Bob. I just never had enough information to help.

And to state that something works "100% of the time" on the PC is kinda funny. I've had extensive PC experience myself, and we've had plenty of trouble with Norton and Acronis and many of the other PC-based solutions.

Nothing works 100% of the time. But, we try to be here for you when you have trouble. (No, not at midnight on Saturday, sorry. ;))

brich
08-17-2006, 10:33 PM
I spend half of my work day on XP systems and the other half on OSX systems. In my experience and opinion, SuperDuper is among the most reliable and user-friendly apps available to geeks and newbies alike. Like anything else, the key is to use it with the right tools to get the intended result. For many SD users, the best tool is an external firewire drive that has been confirmed to be bootable and compatible with SuperDuper.

A quick perusal of this and other threads will provide suggestions that save time and aggravation for folks like the original poster.

kentr
10-15-2009, 03:36 PM
Hope it's ok to revive this thread. Thought it would be better to consolidate threads on this issue.

The problem: it starts to boot then crashes (the kernel panic screen).

It's a Buffalo MiniStation Metro USB, 320GB, partitioned to 160GB with GUID / Journaled. The other partition with Snow Leopard boots fine.

Backup was made running Tiger.

I zeroed out the partition (both the data and free space), and backed up with Erase, then copy

Is it likely that the backup was incomplete and some files were corrupt?

dnanian
10-15-2009, 06:29 PM
Is the old backup from a different Mac?

kentr
10-16-2009, 02:51 PM
Is the old backup from a different Mac?

No, same mac (2.33GHz Intel PB Pro). I made the backup, then immediately tried to boot from it. Tried booting a couple of times with same result.

To attempt to restore corrupted files, can I just drag / drop system files to re-copy them to the BU?

Edit: I just checked the partition with DiskUtility and it was OK.

dnanian
10-16-2009, 04:14 PM
Before you do that, can you start up with Shift held down from power on?

kentr
10-16-2009, 04:53 PM
Before you do that, can you start up with Shift held down from power on?

Didn't work...

dnanian
10-16-2009, 05:07 PM
Did you make this copy while running OS X 10.4, of a 10.4 disk? Or did you make a copy of Snow Leopard from Tiger (or vice versa)?

kentr
10-16-2009, 05:38 PM
Did you make this copy while running OS X 10.4, of a 10.4 disk? Or did you make a copy of Snow Leopard from Tiger (or vice versa)?

Made it while running 10.4, booted normally from the internal drive. The copy is 10.4 (so, it was a copy of the startup disk). I used a separate administrator account because my main account is a Filevault acct.

Snow Leopard (10.6) wasn't installed at that time. After I used SuperDuper! to make the copy of 10.4, I fresh installed 10.6 onto another partition of the same external HD. I haven't installed 10.6 onto the internal yet b/c I want a solid backup first.

This was SD! 2.5, btw. Sorry I didn't mention that.

I'm happy to wipe it and make a fresh copy if it's required, but since it's so time-consuming I'd rather avoid it if there's some way I can just re-do the system files...

I think I'll just do that and let it run while I do some chores. The drive has some TurboUSB software, so maybe that's interfering with it somehow as well.

dnanian
10-16-2009, 11:53 PM
It's certainly possible... very hard to know. It might be useful to start up while holding down Cmd+opt+v (which goes into 'verbose boot') to see if there are any useful diagnostics printed when it fails...